Outcast

[melagan.livejournal.com]

Civilian Contractor.


Look at Dave's face

Now, you tell me what he's really thinking...because, civilian contractor?... not so much.

And then there's Ronon's reaction.

Between you and me, I'd like to see that scene where Ronon takes Dave out to a bar, gets him good and drunk and then sets him straight on a few things Satedan style.

_{Ronon-on Earth-in a suit & Woobie John *clutches heart*}

Comments

[thebiggest-lie.livejournal.com]

This episode should have been called OUTcast, lol. The second I saw this scene, my eyes practically bulged out of my head. What could they have possibly wanted us to think from this scene?!! I mean, it's pretty clear to me that Dave thinks his brother is gay and I have yet to figure out another way to take it. ^_^

[melagan.livejournal.com]

I'm watching these episodes for the, I don't know how many dozen times, and there are still just some scenes that leap out.

it's pretty clear to me that Dave thinks his brother is gay

Oh hell, yes. I can't see any other way to interpret that scene either and I'm not one that had pegged* John as always gay.

*_{bad, naughty pun}

[em_kellesvig]

Oh, yeah, the text and subtext in that scene were priceless! (I wonder if TPTB thought that if they suggested John was gay, we'd think less of him. *giggles* Wow, if so, did that ever backfire!)

[helenkacan.livejournal.com]

I find it amusing (in a pathological kind of way) that TPTB would create a complex modern-day hero and then act as if they were jealous of a fictional character for existing.

So it makes perfect sense (to them only 'cuz we think they're stupid) that they would try to make him less palatable by insinuating that he's gay. Because, to their 12-year old minds, teh gay is just icky. But, to us (the undesired demographic), it's absolutely NO problem at all.

[em_kellesvig]

Naw, that was just Mallozzi. The guy doesn't like heroes yet they hired him to write for a show (SG1) that was all about heroes. Then they let him be show runner for SGA, another show all about heroes. Makes no sense at all. You don't hire a plumber to lay brick. But it does explain why Koyla was such a lovely villain.

[helenkacan.livejournal.com]

Kolya for one, yeah. And Larrin, too. Though too many people called her a female version of John which is wrong, wrong, wrong, how many times can I tell those idiots wrong!!! [Oops, Rodney voice escaped.] Because Larrin had no qualms about sacrificing her people. Oh, radiation problems. No big deal. Fewer mouths to feed.

[em_kellesvig]

And Larrin liked to shove people out airlocks when they annoyed her. Yeah, so not John.

But the Genii, overall, were wonderfully complex. Sora and Ladon Radim had layers. Even Todd had layers.

If only they could have written the heroes with that kind of depth and complexity... Shame, isn't it.

[melagan.livejournal.com]

That never crossed my mind. If true, it backfired like whoa

[tarlanx]

That scene definitely came across as Dave believing his brother was gay!

[em_kellesvig]

And Dave insinuating their father believed John was gay. The writers really had us thinking gay the whole way through the episode, didn't they?

[tarlanx]

When TPTB hinted at outing someone as gay, I was confused as I thought they had already done so with John in this episode...but they meant LORNE!

[em_kellesvig]

Lorne can be gay too! But you know that means they'll have to kill him off...

(Let's hope really hard the movie doesn't get made.)

[melagan.livejournal.com]

Or hope that the movie gets made and the visit the planet of the Roman bathhouses...

[em_kellesvig]

You're forgetting who wrote the script for the movie. Yes, the lovely Joe Mallozzi. There will be no Roman bathhouses but there may very well be boiling in oil -- at least for John Sheppard.

[tarlanx]

Maybe Joe Mallozzi will be replaced (or be unavailable) and they are forced to go out and get a REAL writer rather than that hack...and it's someone who's not afraid of teh gay!

Oh well, I can dream, can't I?

[em_kellesvig]

I'm more interested in someone who isn't afraid of writing heroes, male, female, straight, or gay, and in all the colors of humanity.

[tarlanx]

True! It would be great to see better use of Ronon and Teyla than simply as Conan and Xena. I'm sure there is more to Ronon than an 'uncouth warrior'. And they had already hinted at Teyla's diplomatic/leadership skills but never gave her a chance to really showcase it.

Elizabeth was poorly written in the series too, which is why I ended up disliking her character...same as Keller. Both were supposed to be professionals and the best in their respective fields and yet they were written as bordering on incompetent! It was really frustrating.

[em_kellesvig]

It's as if they walked through the wormhole and lost all the smarts it took to get them there. Bad writers! Bad!

Well, now they're our characters to do with as we please. Isn't it grand? *grin*

[almostnever.livejournal.com]

Both were supposed to be professionals and the best in their respective fields and yet they were written as bordering on incompetent!

In the same vein, John is probably the worst and weirdest military commander in two galaxies if you just go by the scripts. But he got more screentime so Flanigan had more opportunities to characterize John beyond what was on the page.

[em_kellesvig]

And people like to say Flanigan's a bad actor. He did so much with so little. Even his background acting is fantastic. All those wonderful faces and reactions really made for some great scenes.

[calcitrix.livejournal.com]

Wait, what? I never follow writer/producer blogs--they're too depressing. Serious? When/what was that?

[em_kellesvig]

Joe Mallozzi was making noise a while back -- around the time the show finished its run -- about the characters of Atlantis, saying one of them was gay. A couple months ago, he hinted that it was Lorne. (He also hinted that John was getting back with Nancy, whom he forgot was John's married ex-wife. Guy has no clue about continuity.)

Sometimes, I read his blog just for the dumb. It's really amazing.

[calcitrix.livejournal.com]

A couple months ago, he hinted that it was Lorne. (He also hinted that John was getting back with Nancy...

In his head? In the novels? Is the not-a-movie (not) going to be an epic gay romance? Is he writing fanfic now?

[em_kellesvig]

Hell if I know. It was some rambling "What have they been doing since Atlantis has been on Earth?" kind of thing. He mentioned having to rewrite part of the (not) movie to make McKay's appearance on SGU (ick) work. He also suggested that Keller dies of the Hoffan virus just like she did in "The Last Man." Maybe he's finally over his fanboy crush on her. Who knows with him.

[calcitrix.livejournal.com]

Huh. Well that's...uh. Something.

Thanks for the info.

[calcitrix.livejournal.com]

That made me laugh SO HARD. Dave's expression, ahaha. Now I have to go watch that again.

[melagan.livejournal.com]

It was a priceless moment made moreso by Ronon's reaction *g*

[theeverdream.livejournal.com]

Between you and me, I'd like to see that scene where Ronon takes Dave out to a bar, gets him good and drunk and then sets him straight on a few things Satedan style.

That would be fun to watch!!