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Doppelganger has been on UK TV twice this week (not that I haven't seen it a lot before!) and watching it again reminded me of my squee about the way the characters are dressed in the shared nightmare sequence, and what we are meant to take from it. I thought others might find it an interesting conversation starter...

From the very first time I saw Doppelganger, I found the POVs in the final nightmares very interesting. I'll be honest, at first just the idea that John's nightmare was being unable to save Rodney was squee-worthy enough, but re watching the episode left me even more intrigued about the canon that was being established with the characters' visual images of each other in the Nightmare World.

For example, the nightmare begins in Rodney's thoughts - so we have to assume that we are initially being given Rodney's view and that the images in that nightmare reflect the way Rodney 'sees' both himself and John. As we cut to the Nightmare POV, Rodney isn't wearing the outfit he was wearing while awake, in fact this is an outfit we've never seen before or since. Shoulders aside (because it's simply not possible to make DH's shoulders look anything BUT amazing) Rodney is wearing the most unflattering outfit imaginable - it seems to be some sort of PJ's or thermal underwear. On top of the ugly outfit, Rodney is soaked to the skin with his face screwed up against the rain and his hair looking flat and sparse under the beating rain.

So, Rodney's nightmare view of himself  is one that is physically weak and unattractive, stuck in a situation where brain power means nothing. That didn't surprise me too much, but look how 'Rodney's subconscious manifests John... Rodney's mind  'sees'  Evil Entity Sheppard as Über-military, a version of John who thinks Rodney is weak, and tells him he will fail and die. In complete contrast, his subconscious sees Real John - his Sheppard - looking softer and younger than Evil!Shep, wearing his touchy-feely clothes, not a uniform, and whose body language and voice are gentle and protective. (The way he says "Don't be afraid" just breaks me...)

When we switch to the nightmare from John's POV, it begins with him believing he has failed to save Rodney. He's broken by this, walking through the corridor in shock and completely uncomforted - in fact people seek him out to tell him that he has failed and that it is all his fault. What's heartbreaking (in addition to his obvious pain at losing Rodney) is knowing that John has been here - has actually failed to save a comrade and paid the penalty to his reputation in the eyes of his peers. Then his Evil Entity doppelganger appears and it's clear that nothing scares John more than the idea that he will be to blame for the death of people he cares about, and the prospect that his own dark side might be to blame...

Now think about the way Rodney appears in John's nightmare.  First off, he isn't even wearing the last thing that John would have seen him in before they went to sleep, or the ugly outfit John saw Rodney in during the start of the nightmare - why is that? There isn't more thn one Rodney, so the way Rodney appears must have some significance to John. The Rodney that comes down the stairs is heroic, sure of himself, and wearing his sleekest outfit, His hair is styled, his skin practically glows and he looks good. This nightmare is John's POV and we are presented with the fact that this is how John sees Rodney - not weak, panicking or scared, but determined and in control and willing to do whatever it takes. What's more, Rodney doesn't save John alone - the real strength is the two of them working together.

Now, I can't be the first person to wonder what the thought process was behind these choices. Did they come from the writer, the director, the costume mistress, the actors, or each building on the others' ideas? And even more interesting than who, is the question why? While it would be possible to write off the costumes in John's case as simple continuity, and a way to differentiate between Evil Entity Sheppard and Real Sheppard, that doesn't explain the changes in Rodney's outfits. There's an obvious significance to the contrasting way in which they perceive each other in their nightmares/subconscious and it obviously speaks to their trust in each other (at the very least) and possibly more...

Intriguing, no? It certainly makes me squee. 

Date: 2010-11-21 07:09 pm (UTC)
tarlanx: Wen Kexing holding fan with text FAN (McKay - See Forever)
From: [personal profile] tarlanx
Strange but I have entertained the same thoughts on viewing that episode, and definitely squee-worthy!

Date: 2010-11-22 09:25 am (UTC)
tarlanx: Wen Kexing holding fan with text FAN (McKay - Spaceman)
From: [personal profile] tarlanx
After I entertained those thoughts I did wonder if the writers had anything to do with the costume choices because they have never shown much skill in the psychological department before!

Date: 2010-11-21 07:37 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] danceswithgary
Very nice - I'm tucking your observations away in my bunny file!

Date: 2010-11-21 08:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gottalovev.livejournal.com
very interesting observations! I totally agree with your analysis, btw. and now you made me want to watch it again! loL!

Date: 2010-11-21 08:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tygtig.livejournal.com
I think this whole post is squee-worthy. Doppelganger is great. I hadn't even thought about their clothes, but the way Rodney strides down the stairs (note the classic superhero-pose) and says "I'm not dead" is striking, to say the least.

And the comment at the end? "I thought there'd be more - girls here?" "Yeah, you'd think that!?" or something like it - it's like they're BOTH surprised.

Date: 2010-11-21 10:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gyri.livejournal.com
Heh. EXCELLENT point. *snickers*

Date: 2010-11-23 11:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hilde.livejournal.com
*ggg* I've never thought about that comment from a nightmare angle...LOLOL

Date: 2010-11-21 08:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lysambre.livejournal.com
I would love to know what the thought processes were behind it, because I know I have a huge slashy bias where these two are concerned but I don't see an alternative reason for presenting the characters in the way that they did.

A lot of us have a slashy bias about these two, and I'm thinking more and more that (probably) unknowingly so had the writers. There is no other explanation.

Of course they'll deny it forever, but I'm convinced that they were just taken by those two just like we were, except they tried to convince themselves it was a friendship, when what they were writing was way closer to a bromance, or even a full blown romance (how can the scenes from Echoes or the Shrine be interpreted as anything else than romance is just beyond me).

Date: 2010-11-21 08:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lysambre.livejournal.com
THIS ! Exactly this !

Date: 2010-11-23 10:28 am (UTC)

Date: 2010-11-21 08:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hilde.livejournal.com
Huh! I haven't really thought about this. Very interesting and intriguing entry! I have to watch the episode again tonight, keeping this in mind. I think this is so wonderful! I've seen that episode so many times, and now you've given me something new to look for:) Thank you!

Date: 2010-11-21 08:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hilde.livejournal.com
It's getting late here (Norway) so I'll watch it tomorrow :) I'll let you know tomorrow!

Date: 2010-11-23 11:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hilde.livejournal.com
I think your comments were spot on, and they gave me a deeper understanding and insight into this episode. I read through your text before putting on the episode, and it absolutely loved watching the episode with this in mind. So, thank you!!

Date: 2010-11-21 09:31 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] springwoof.livejournal.com
cool observations! I had noticed HeroicRodney coming to the rescue in Sheppard's nightmare, but hadn't thought about their clothing in Rodney's nightmare. very interesting!

Date: 2010-11-21 09:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emrinalexander.livejournal.com
I watched this again after reading your analysis. It's amazing the ways the characters themselves (and/or the actors) seemed to take over in the episodes and go way beyond whatever the director and writers of an episode were doing. The absolutely bereft expression on John's face in his dream when he believes Rodney is dead is heart-rending. And then there's the fact that Rodney being dead is John Sheppard's worst possible nightmare. I wonder if the writers every realized how much that was saying to the audience?

Another example that comes to mind, is how no matter how hard the writers tried to pair Rodney off with Keller, it never quite becomes believable. Even at the end of the final episode, when supposedly everyone (except Sheppard - and doesn't that tell us something too) is paired off, Rodney's body language with Keller is very uneasy and gives me, anyway, the feeling he'd rather be with somebody else.

Date: 2010-11-23 10:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hilde.livejournal.com
Shudders....it was painful to watch, just painful...

Date: 2010-11-23 11:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hilde.livejournal.com
The absolutely bereft expression on John's face in his dream when he believes Rodney is dead is heart-rending. And then there's the fact that Rodney being dead is John Sheppard's worst possible nightmare. I wonder if the writers every realized how much that was saying to the audience?

THIS! Yes, it's so revealing!

Date: 2010-11-21 10:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] helenkacan.livejournal.com
And you deserve my Rodney to the rescue icon (which I wish I'd been able to lighten, but it was REALLY dark in that scene).

Anyway, I noticed Rodney's outfit IMMEDIATELY but, not only that, my assessment of heroic Rodney was backed up 100% by the equally heroic soundtrack where - IN ONLY THREE NOTES - the audience is being informed that there be heroes here.

You know, whether or not the writers were doing this consciously or not, we do have so many scenes to prove that this was an epic love and not merely friendship!

Date: 2010-11-21 10:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gyri.livejournal.com
I so love that you brought this up and shared your observations. I think they are spot-on.

I'd like to add that I think we are getting both Rodney's and John's POV at the end of John's nightmare, when Rodney comes to rescue him. I agree with your assessment of how John sees Rodney in that moment, but I also think that's how Rodney is seeing himself, too. It plays out in real life--Rodney's a chicken when it comes to himself, but let his team (especially John), be in danger and he undergoes a transformation. He'd do anything to protect and save them, including sacrificing his own life.

This was infinitely squee-worthy!!! Thank you!

Date: 2010-11-21 10:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sgamadison.livejournal.com
*blinks*

I have watched Doppleganger many times--it is one of my favorite episodes. And I've given a lot of thought about the various nightmares and what they meant to each person...but this is sheer brilliance!

Your assessment here is fascinating and resonates 'right' with me. But like you now, I wonder how they got there...

Date: 2010-11-23 01:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sgamadison.livejournal.com
I don't think you sound tin-hatty at all. I love the way you analyze things, be it stories or movies or television episodes. Your in-depth analysis always resonates with what I saw, but I only absorbed it on some level, where as you *observed* it.


OMG, you're Sherlock Holmes!

Date: 2010-11-22 12:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rissabby.livejournal.com
I like meta/squee.

I've always loved the heroic Rodney of the last nightmare, but until now I hadn't given much thought to the appearance of the wet Rodney of the whale dream. I'll do a re-watch tonight.

Date: 2010-11-22 03:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oceania.livejournal.com
Exactly. I had made note of the heroic and sexy Rodney that John sees but hadn't pieced together the weak and unworthy Rodney vision of himself..distracted by how actually hot he looked wet. The masculiniity of him turned me on...add a wet Joe into the mix and I was guhne. I was squealing on first view and well, pretty much starry eyed at the slashtacularness of the entire episode. Must. Watch. Now.

Date: 2010-11-22 11:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oceania.livejournal.com
Exactly. The look of absolute despair on John's face as he staggered into the gate room after he thinks Rodney is dead was gut wrenching because for that moment we think Rodney is dead too adn given that they'd already killed a character off that episode, I was a tad nervous. sigh...I miss my show.

Date: 2010-11-22 04:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] patk.livejournal.com
Do you know how much I love your squee-worthy meta-squee here?

<-THIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIS->

much. *g*

Yes, yes, and did I mention yes?

>>that doesn't explain the changes in Rodney's outfits. There's an obvious significance to the contrasting way in which they perceive each other in their nightmares/subconscious and it obviously speaks to their trust in each other (at the very least) and possibly more... <<

Yes, I actually believe this. I think that the writers of the episode actually wanted Rodney to come across as the hero in John's dream *knowing* that this was a "John's POV scene" and therefore costume and make up department made sure he looked the way and DH stroke the right pose and facial expression for it.

No doubt they would deny the "possibly more..." part 'til their dying breath and chalk everything up to a close and strong friendship, this way they could include both ends of the range of fans. They gave us several moments and scenes through the series that work both ways, interpretation depending on what you want to see, but what you describe here is too good, to thought through, the details are too exact (even the music matches) for it all to be a coincidence.

Yes, this obviously does speak to their trust in each other, it's visibly there and I think it's intentional, walking a fine line and giving both ends of the range enough material for interpretation.

When the people writing and producing the series were bad, they were *bad*, but when they were good, they were *really* good.

I love this post so much! :-)


Date: 2010-11-23 07:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] patk.livejournal.com
It's such an interesting, insightful and thought provoking post! Exactly the kind I love to read. :-)

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