SGA squee

Aw, I miss Peter too. I do understand the concept of the greater impact of storytelling by killing a known (but secondary character) rather than a red shirt, but the problem with SGA (as opposed to a lot of shows that I've watched) is that I've become very attached to *all* the characters!

I think that's one of the reasons I like Amireal's 'Quarks' story so much. She 'rescued' Peter (well, by making him a Runner, which some days I can see better than others) but also made his recovery crucial to the AU story she was telling. Stuff like that makes me smile. :-)

He would have been a logical replacement after Elizabeth's death, y/n ?

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I agree! There were hidden depths there, and we never got to see them. Darn it!

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I had no idea! Thank you for that little tidbit. I'd become quite fond of Peter in the short about of time we got to see him in Atlantis.

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He would have been a logical replacement after Elizabeth's death, y/n ?

I want to say yes so much to this...except for the part where I really like the idea of Teyla being Elizabeth's replacement and Peter being her *coff* errand boy.

That's a lot of pretty in one room.

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We did however get a lovely view of his ass from time to time. In his pants! I mean in his pants! Shame on you. *g*

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It caught a lot of us by surprise, shock, some healthy denial.

I still miss him.

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SGA gave us some fantastic secondary characters...look how Chuck grew into a fan favorite. I loved seeing the same faces in the military and in the science department. I hated it when they killed Marcum off. It was Stackhouse and Marcum, darn it. Peter...I couldn't believe early in the show that they killed off a character that was so important. I realize it imparts the danger that they were in, but I was highly disappointed that Peter was killed off. When I watch that episode, I fast forward through it, just don't care to watch.

Smart, funny, loved to needle McKay, he should have been given the chance to develop. Sometimes, I don't think the producers/writers had their heads out of their butts. They made some foolish mistakes with the show...Carson's death???

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Not only did I love Grodin's character (and miss him terribly), I think he could have developed into a rival in the tall, dark, and handsome department, as well as the snarky scientist department. And that's too bad, because the little digs between Grodin and Rodney were great and would only have gotten better. I was surprised and very sad at TPTB's decision, but at least the death was a good one. Grodin doing what he knew he needed to do and Rodney knowing it too - and Rodney's reaction was, unfortunately, the first of many reactions to the deaths of his scientists. As "killings off" go, Grodin's was at least done right.

Also, not to get into shipping but in Season 1 canon, especially during that two-week wait for battle, I can so see Elizabeth and Grodin together - if I were to contemplate het ships, you know. Liz wasn't blind after all - to looks or brains - and I think Grodin would have erased a few Simon memories.

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This might be why I love a good Alternate Universe so much. It's a chance to see the characters again that we love so much.

SGA gave us some fantastic secondary characters.

Absolutely! The secondary characters rose to the occasion and made us believe. Damn I love a show that does that :)

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I think Grodin would have erased a few Simon memories.

Elizabeth: "Simon? Simon who? Oh yes, do that again please, Peter....yes!"

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:-)

As much as I agree with you, I doubt seriously that the SGC/IOA would have allowed Teyla to be in charge as long as there were any ties to Earth (which is why I long for McShep S6--so we could see that happen and really play around with the cultural divide between Earth and Pegasus--I think installing Teyla as leader would have gone a long way towards improving he reputation of the expedition!).

I also wonder if Grodin was one of those people who makes a better second than first, which was why I asked the question. Most days I have a hard time picturing him in charge, but I wonder if that impression would have changed as we saw his character develop. Much as I like Chuck-the-technician, he didn't really fill Grodin's shoes as a replacement command center face.

Cool icon!

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The IOA is one big meanie *pout*

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I'm with you here on so many points--Peter's coolness was a perfect foil for Rodney's more volatile nature and I think that Rodney's reaction to his death really did make the risks of the expedition seem more real--more so than the deaths of scientists in Hot Zone--whom we didn't really know. Grodin's death was handled correctly (except for the fact that no one ever seems to mention or react to the death of anyone in the weeks after their deaths...)

I also could definitely see Peter and Elizabeth together--more so than I can E and any other pairing. In fact the only het SGA fic I ever wrote was about those two. *coughs*

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I liked him when I first watched the series, but re-watching makes me realize how awesome he was and makes me wish it had gone differently. I should have appreciated you more, Peter! forgive me!

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Which is why the only sensible thing to do is cut it out of the loop, right? :-)

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I should have appreciated you more, Peter! forgive me!

That's what this whole post has done for me--I can't wait to see who's next!

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I actually think they killed of Peter because he had a lot of chemistry with Elizabeth and they wanted to focus on the "is there or isn't there something"-thing between her and John instead. Otherwise we might have ended up with either John/Teyla or a frank slash pairing with John/Rodney, and then the show would have been cancelled due to the Moral Majority. Bah.

I agree with the "oh, let's forget and move on" attitude we get towards all of the death and drama in the series. The storm is a crazy, creepy episode (it's great) with John in full out warfare-mode, and he kills a lot of people, scares Elizabeth (sniper training? Black ops?) and probably impresses the marines no end - and in the next episode Elizabeth is all sunshine. And all the killing forgotten. Twiddledum, twiddledee.

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Well, who's next on your list?

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Peter Grodin ♥

I really hated that they killed him off. Not only did I love him as a character, but Bates and Ford were also written off around that time. It really hurt the diversity of the cast.

I love Atlantis AUs that have Peter surviving, and total AUs where he shows up as a character. :-)

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It's interesting because when I read this earlier today, my head didn't immediately suggest Carson or Elizabeth--perhaps because I was still thinking in terms of 'secondary' characters such as Markham or Vega (I do regret the death of Vega. It was senseless and stupid and though such things are the nature of military life, especially in other *galaxies*, it struck me as a waste of a potentially interesting character. They could have killed anyone else on that team--it didn't have to be Vega).

When I did sit down to think about characters such as Elizabeth and Carson, I was surprised to find I missed Elizabeth more. I like Carson as a character--probably because he *is* a character--in a short period of time, he became a real person to me, love him or hate him. Aside from the genetic experimentation with the Hoffan virus and Micheal (both done with the pressure of defeating the Wraith as a driving force), I think he was a good doctor--at least in terms of his devotion to his patients. However, I had been primed for his loss and by the time I finally watched Sunday, I was already emotionally shielded from it.

S4 was the first season I watched as it happened and I think Elizabeth's death had a greater impact on me as a result. Her death felt like a turning point for the show and I think that is part of the reason I miss her as well.

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and he kills a lot of people, scares Elizabeth (sniper training? Black ops?) and probably impresses the marines no end - and in the next episode Elizabeth is all sunshine. And all the killing forgotten. Twiddledum, twiddledee.

Which would have been easier to understand if they had a huge stable of writers that contributed to the show but it was like the same handful of guys all the time! You'd think there could be a *little* continuity of character development.

This apparently was one of the things they decided to do differently with SGU. Why they couldn't have introduced it in small amounts in SGA is beyond me. Well, maybe not. I get the impression with SGU they wanted to really play around with the moral failings of people as a whole, which would have resulted in them fundamentally changing the SGA characters as presented in order to take that track, I guess.

I've just found that sometimes the deleted SGA scenes had some real moments of character insight and that these scenes were often cut for no other reason than time. Personally I could have done with a little less of some long dramatic shots of a ship approaching a landing area and seen some of these deleted scenes... :-)

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Not to make excuses for the writers but we forget that the first three seasons of SGA ran concurrently with the last three of SG1. That handful of writers were cranking out forty shows a season, which is a lot of work for so few. That doesn't excuse the lack of organization or leadership in the writers' room or the lack of a "bible" for the characters or the shows in general. But it does explain a lot.

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True, which is one of the reasons they said no one wanted to do that again with SGA and SGU concurrently (or at least, they said that at the time, in one of Mallozzi's recent blogs, he denies that sentiment).

Just the time crunch of getting scripts out and filmed on such a schedule is mind-boggling; you are right to point that out. A bible would have been extremely useful too. :-)

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You know what I like most about entries like this?

It makes me go back and re-watch the respective episodes with a new angle, a new view, a different slant, in this case, focusing more on Peter Grodin. :-)

Thanks for coming up with that.

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There was quite a shake up at the beginning of season 2. They had to make room for the incoming characters from Earth and that meant some of the season 1 characters had to go. The writers may not have seen it as changing the diversity of the characters but we the viewers certainly did. It could have been handled much better.

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